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what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

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somewhereskies thank you and keep

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i'm here to discuss the so-called flying

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saucers the air force interest in this

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problem has been due to our feeling of

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an obligation to

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identify and analyze to the best of our

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ability anything in the air

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that may have the possibility of threat

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or minutes to the united states in

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pursuit of this obligation since 1947

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we have received and analyzed between

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one and two thousand reports that have

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come to us from all kinds of sources of

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this great massive reports we have been

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able adequately to explain

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the great bulk of them explain them to

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our own satisfaction however there have

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been a certain percentage of this volume

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of reports that have been made by

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credible observers

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of relatively incredible things it is

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this group of observations that we now

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are attempting to resolve

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we have as a date come to only one firm

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conclusion with respect to this

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remaining percentage and that is that

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it does not contain any pattern of

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purpose or of consistency that we can

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relate to any conceivable threat to the

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united states

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the voice you just heard was that of

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major general john a samford of the army

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air force speaking from the pentagon in

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washington dc on july 29 1952

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the press conference taking place was in

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response to a wave of ufo reports from

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across the east coast primarily in

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washington dc

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hundreds of reports came in of strange

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lights being spotted across the district

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some even being spotted directly over

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the nation's capital these lights and

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objects were detected on radar and jets

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were even scrambled to try to

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investigate but no solid conclusions

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were ever made on just exactly what had

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occurred

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meanwhile on the west coast in

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california reports of silver disks

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flying through the skies in broad

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daylight were being made across the

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state

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again no explanations were given for the

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varied and persistent sightings

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and while the united states government

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may have calmed public nerves on the

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threats of these ufos it certainly

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wasn't calming the nerves of captain

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john a harder in his crew on a b-29

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super fortress bomber a few months later

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over the gulf of mexico nor would it

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calm the nerves of those involved in

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countless other military encounters that

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year

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this is the story of the b-29 bomber and

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the ufo invasion of 1952

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and now

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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early on the morning of december 6 1952

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at 5 24 a.m captain john harder was

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piloting his b-29 bomber over the gulf

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of mexico back to randolph air force

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base in texas

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harder had radioed his radar operator

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lieutenant sid coleman and asked him to

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get a check on the coastline on the

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as coleman was doing this he suddenly

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noticed an unknown blip on the radar

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screen only a moment later the object

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coleman watched a rising sense of

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concern began to form inside of him the

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unknown object was seemingly headed

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straight for their plane

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he then noticed that their paths were

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at this point coleman reached for his

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stopwatch and shouted for the assistant

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radar operator master sergeant bailey to

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help him track the unknown craft

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with the stopwatch coleman quickly

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he reached for the intercom and spoke to

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captain harder stating quote captain

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unknown at over 5 000 miles per hour end

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coleman did as he was ordered however a

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another two blips had just shown on the

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suddenly harder's voice came over the

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intercom harter would say that he had

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four unknowns at 12 o'clock

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he then asked coleman what he could see

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on his screen he responded that the

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objects were on all three scopes

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coleman would state that he now had an

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unknown at his three o'clock

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having left his station momentarily to

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peer through a side window of the plane

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in the dark sky of early morning he

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could clearly see a glowing blue object

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streak past the plane at unbelievable

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the object was nothing but a blur to

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eventually the object disappeared under

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the wing of their aircraft

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almost as soon as the craft had vanished

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into the dark another set of lips

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that they were coming right at the plane

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bombers would almost certainly result in

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sigh of relief

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it was a little after 5 32 a.m when

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coleman once more worked out their speed

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this time ferris took the opportunity to

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look out into the sky witnessing two

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blue white blurs speed past

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while this was taking place in the

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cockpit harder was carefully monitoring

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he could see a group of five objects

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approximately 40 miles behind the b-29

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bomber

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they were clearly following them and

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looking to cut across their path

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them in under three seconds

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as he was about to react though the

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blips suddenly slowed down to a speed

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that matched that of the bomber

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and for the next 10 seconds they

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remained behind them keeping pace with

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the plane

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then things turned even stranger

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the objects suddenly moved to the side

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of the plane once more at great speed

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at the same time a monstrous blip

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as the crew watched the five objects

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raced towards the larger object still at

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over 5000 miles per hour and then seemed

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to merge with what appeared to be a

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mothership of some sort

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once all the objects appeared to be

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attached the larger object moved across

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the radar screens at an alarming speed

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and then in an instant the mothership

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was gone

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after a few moments coleman's startled

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voice came over the intercom he would

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declare that the large object was moving

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at a speed of over 9 000 miles per hour

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although there were no more appearances

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from the glowing discs-shaped objects

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the crew remained on full alert until

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they landed at randolph air force base a

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following on from hartley radioing the

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base of their experience intelligence

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officers were already waiting for them

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each of the crew members were questioned

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repeatedly by these officers both

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separately and then together however

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their accounts remained exactly the same

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each time

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noted ufo researcher donald kehoe had

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looked extensively into this case in his

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personal report he would state that it

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was clear that quote these discs had

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been launched from a huge mother ship

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for some type of reconnaissance mission

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he would go on to speculate how the

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mothership and the discs could have

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quote covered parts of the united states

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end quote however he would also point

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out that given the discs and the

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mothership's tremendous speed they quote

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could have been operating anywhere over

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the world

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he would also state that it was likely

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pure coincidence that the rendezvous

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point happened to be the gulf of mexico

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where the b-29 was flying

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furthermore it was likely that one unit

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or batch of disks had gone to observe or

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track the plane kiho would also point to

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the radar readings combined with visual

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sighting that all but confirmed the

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incident as genuine and credible

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but even more incredible was that a

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similar incident had occurred only 48

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hours prior to the b-29 event

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according to an official project blue

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book report on the evening of december

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4th lieutenant robert arnold was

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piloting a t28 trojan aircraft from

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laredo air force base in texas

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after an extensive training exercise he

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began his journey back to the base

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while waiting for permission to land

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from the control tower he circled the

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base for almost 45 minutes during a very

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heavy traffic time period

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it was as he was asking ground control

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how much longer it would be that arnold

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noticed a strong bluish light in the

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distance moving with considerable speed

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from his position the glowing object

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southeast of the air base and around

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four thousand feet below arnold's

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at first he thought the light must be an

284
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approaching jet

285
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however as it got closer he realized it

286
00:12:36,310 --> 00:12:34,240
wasn't a jet at all

287
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though it was very bright he could

288
00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:38,880
somewhat make out an elliptical shape

289
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within the light

290
00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:42,800
the object continued moving in a south

291
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easternly direction as arnold steered

292
00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:48,399
his plane in order to keep it in view

293
00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:51,360
suddenly the object rose in an instant

294
00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:54,160
to the same altitude as arnold before

295
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embarking on what appeared to be a

296
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circling of the air base

297
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when it reached the north side of the

298
00:13:06,550 --> 00:13:03,040
base the object suddenly dropped to an

299
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altitude of around 2000 feet it would

300
00:13:12,069 --> 00:13:09,440
move out over the city of loreto before

301
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climbing to unbelievable speed according

302
00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:15,760
to arnold of approximately 15 000 feet

303
00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:17,680
in altitude

304
00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:19,920
the object remained at this altitude for

305
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several moments before dropping once

306
00:13:29,030 --> 00:13:25,600
again to the same altitude as arnold

307
00:13:30,949 --> 00:13:29,040
then it headed straight at him

308
00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:30,959
arnold noticed that the object appeared

309
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to waver slightly as if quote

310
00:13:39,750 --> 00:13:36,880
determining on which side of my craft it

311
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wanted to pass by end quote

312
00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:41,839
the next thing arnold knew the object

313
00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:44,639
was passing within 50 yards of the left

314
00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,240
wing of his plane

315
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he noted that as it passed he could see

316
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a quote blurred reddish bluish haze end

317
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quote

318
00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:55,760
the blue book report states that things

319
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quote happened so rapidly that

320
00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:00,800
lieutenant arnold was unable to take any

321
00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:02,720
evasive action

322
00:14:07,189 --> 00:14:04,880
he turned his plane once more in order

323
00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:07,199
to keep the craft in sight

324
00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:09,440
and once more he noticed that the object

325
00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:12,160
was accelerating to a high altitude of

326
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:14,560
around fifteen thousand feet

327
00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:17,519
then the object began to descend once

328
00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:19,760
more only this time it appeared as

329
00:14:24,389 --> 00:14:21,760
though it was looking to approach

330
00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:24,399
arnold's plane head on

331
00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:26,880
arnold would turn off his running lights

332
00:14:32,069 --> 00:14:29,600
and drop to an altitude of around 1500

333
00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:32,079
feet he managed to keep the object in

334
00:14:37,350 --> 00:14:34,720
his sights while doing so and notice

335
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:37,360
that it had seemingly given up the chase

336
00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:40,160
and was instead heading out of sight at

337
00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:43,040
extremely rapid pace

338
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:45,680
in total the object remained in sight of

339
00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:48,480
arnold for around seven minutes

340
00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:51,920
by 905 pm arnold finally landed at

341
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:53,920
loreto air force base

342
00:14:58,949 --> 00:14:56,079
he would immediately report the incident

343
00:15:02,629 --> 00:14:58,959
to his superiors and was then told to

344
00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:02,639
never speak of the incident again

345
00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:05,680
as 1952 ended it only seemed to bring

346
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:08,480
out more ufo sightings in the beginning

347
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:10,959
of 1953

348
00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:14,160
on january 6 a little after 1 a.m just

349
00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:17,199
outside of dallas texas multiple reports

350
00:15:21,269 --> 00:15:19,680
were received of a strange light moving

351
00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:21,279
in the night sky

352
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:24,240
shortly after 1am a report came in from

353
00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:26,959
a resident of paris texas who claimed

354
00:15:32,949 --> 00:15:29,279
that he had quote chased an object with

355
00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:32,959
his car for 30 minutes end quote

356
00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:35,199
several other witnesses would report

357
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,000
that a quote arrow-shaped object with a

358
00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:40,480
green blue light at what appeared to be

359
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:43,120
the front end a red light that changed

360
00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:45,199
orange underneath

361
00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:47,120
according to the air intelligence

362
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:49,120
information report in the project blue

363
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:51,680
book files several of these reports

364
00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:54,800
conflicted with each other in terms of

365
00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:57,120
the direction of the object and where it

366
00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:00,560
was moving and its estimated altitude

367
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:03,040
what's more tinker air force base in

368
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:05,600
oklahoma would also report that they'd

369
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:08,480
had an unidentified object on the radar

370
00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:11,920
around 30 miles southwest of paris texas

371
00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:13,839
they would estimate that the object was

372
00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:17,279
moving at just short of 700 miles per

373
00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:19,759
hour and was flying at an altitude of

374
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:22,480
about 7 500 feet

375
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:24,959
the object remained on their screens for

376
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:28,000
around 30 minutes before simply fading

377
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,440
away

378
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:31,440
because of the different directions of

379
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:33,759
the objects one on radar and one

380
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,519
witnessed visually

381
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:37,680
it was determined that there must have

382
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:39,920
been at least two strange objects over

383
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:42,880
texas that night and when we recall the

384
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:45,440
claims of the quote mothership sending

385
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,000
out scouter type vehicles we might also

386
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,480
consider the possibility that this might

387
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:52,959
have been the same case

388
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:55,519
investigations into these reports showed

389
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,600
that there were no planned flights in

390
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:59,680
the region that evening

391
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:01,519
furthermore when the local police were

392
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,759
contacted they revealed not only had

393
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:05,600
they received multiple calls that

394
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:08,079
evening of the strange glowing object

395
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:10,480
but that several of their officers on

396
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:13,679
patrol duty also spotted it and reported

397
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:16,720
it to the dispatcher the same was stated

398
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:18,799
by the local fire department who claimed

399
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:20,959
that the radio dispatcher and several

400
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,319
firemen witnessed the object overhead

401
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,160
another witness claimed to have seen the

402
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:28,880
object quote floating in the sky as he

403
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,679
looked out of the window of city hall

404
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:33,919
a pilot with almost three decades of

405
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:36,160
experience in aviation at the control

406
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:38,960
tower of love field who also witnessed

407
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:41,039
it claimed that he quote should know a

408
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:44,000
plane or a star by now and this was

409
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,600
neither

410
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:48,240
perhaps one of the best sightings though

411
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:50,640
came from a meteorologist at the dallas

412
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:52,480
weather station who would view the

413
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,840
object through a six-power telescope he

414
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:58,080
would state that quote the object was

415
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:01,120
elongated and it was vertical standing

416
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:04,000
on end and it had a definite impression

417
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:05,520
of dimension

418
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:08,400
at first it changed color rapidly from

419
00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:11,200
white to blue and then red to green

420
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:13,840
later it remained white with a red spot

421
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:16,480
on the underside end quote

422
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:18,640
of course this detailed description

423
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,640
viewed through a telescope no less

424
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,720
matched many of those that had come from

425
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,039
the general public

426
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:27,679
interestingly the meteorologist also

427
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:30,320
stated there was a possibility in his

428
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:33,039
opinion that quote this could be a

429
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,160
mothership for smaller saucers traveling

430
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:38,880
in our orbit end quote

431
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:41,200
three days later on the evening of

432
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:43,600
january 9th another sighting of a

433
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:46,480
glowing object was observed this time

434
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:49,360
further west in california

435
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:52,720
just before 7 30 pm the crew of another

436
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:56,160
b-29 bomber over santa ana witnessed a

437
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,440
quote v formation of blue white lights

438
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:01,280
approach their plane

439
00:19:05,669 --> 00:19:03,200
they match the plane's altitude for a

440
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,679
few moments before fading away again

441
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:07,679
into the night

442
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,080
according to the pilot lieutenant lowell

443
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,480
d brandt's statement it was co-pilot

444
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:14,559
lieutenant charles loveless who had

445
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:17,120
drawn his attention to the lights

446
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:18,880
the official report states that the

447
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,880
lights quote approached the aircraft

448
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:23,679
with such rapid speed of closure that

449
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,640
brent started to turn to the left

450
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,960
as he did so it appeared the lights were

451
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,039
holding their position before they

452
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,600
suddenly rose slightly and disappeared

453
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,919
in what seemed to be an instant end

454
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:37,440
quote

455
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,919
in total the lights were in sight for no

456
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,080
more than five seconds

457
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:44,799
brent and loveless reported they heard

458
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:47,520
no sound whatsoever from the mysterious

459
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,799
objects

460
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:50,880
the weather at the time of the incident

461
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,760
was clear and each pilot was certain

462
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,480
what they had seen was not a reflecting

463
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,120
illusion records show that there was no

464
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:01,280
other aircraft in the area at the time

465
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:03,760
of the sighting there were also however

466
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:06,320
no other witnesses from the ground who

467
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,080
might have observed the mysterious

468
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,400
object and there were no reports of the

469
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:12,400
strange object from the many control

470
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,280
towers military and civilian in the

471
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,640
region

472
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,640
around three weeks later another

473
00:20:22,870 --> 00:20:20,559
intriguing sighting occurred on the

474
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:22,880
other side of the united states

475
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:24,960
just before 10 a.m on the morning of

476
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:28,799
january 29th the pilots of an f-94 jet

477
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,320
witnessed a quote gray oval ufo over

478
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,120
presque isle in maine according to the

479
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:37,919
report the pilot lieutenant fred goading

480
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,400
would witness the object first and would

481
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:42,480
quickly alert his radar observer

482
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:45,679
lieutenant howard kelly the f-94 was

483
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,640
flying at an altitude of around 23 000

484
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:51,200
feet with a bizarre object slightly

485
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,480
above them

486
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,640
in his official statement kelly would

487
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,120
offer that goating had to quote point it

488
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,919
out repeatedly before he finally saw the

489
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:01,200
object

490
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,000
quote thin and oval and gray in color

491
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:08,159
elaborating further that it was well

492
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:10,960
defined in dull colored and that it was

493
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,159
not shiny or luminous he would continue

494
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:16,640
that there was quote no visible means of

495
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,919
propulsion nor any smoke or contrails

496
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,600
end quote

497
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,080
goating would echo these descriptions

498
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,640
describing the object as clearly oval

499
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,159
and thin shaped

500
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,480
he would also like his co-pilot claimed

501
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:32,799
that the object quote did not shine or

502
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,919
give off any light end quote

503
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,840
the goating began to give chase to the

504
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,080
oval-shaped craft in an attempt to

505
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,640
intercept it however after several

506
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:44,960
minutes of doing so covering a distance

507
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,000
of around 40 miles low fuel levels would

508
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,080
force him to break off from the chase

509
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,679
and return to base

510
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,600
according to the air force intelligence

511
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,240
information report two other unnamed

512
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,480
pilots also witnessed the strange

513
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,000
aircraft

514
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,080
project blue book investigators would

515
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,559
state that the object was most likely

516
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,480
the planet venus

517
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,720
in this despite the time of the sighting

518
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:10,960
and the detailed description from goding

519
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:14,000
and kelly it was a conclusion that many

520
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,679
rejected

521
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,760
there were several other incidents in

522
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:20,799
the opening weeks of february of 1953 as

523
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:24,480
well on february 1st at around 9 30 p.m

524
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:27,760
over tara hot indiana the pilot of a

525
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,799
t-33 military plane witnessed a strange

526
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,280
moving light that was quote changing

527
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,440
color from red to blue to green to

528
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,840
yellow end quote the pilot would

529
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,440
estimate that the light's altitude

530
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,000
varied from about fifteen thousand feet

531
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,159
to thirty thousand feet and appeared to

532
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,480
fly quote in a manner similar to

533
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,640
conventional aircraft

534
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,960
what's more searchlights from the saint

535
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,360
louis region appeared to pick up the

536
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,840
moving light several times

537
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,159
later investigations would reveal that

538
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,159
there were several aircraft in the terre

539
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,320
haute airspace at the time of this

540
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,360
incident both commercial and military

541
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,360
whether these terrestrial aircraft might

542
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,840
have been the moving lights or not is

543
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,080
still uncertain meaning that the

544
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,400
sightings are essentially still

545
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,240
unexplained

546
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,480
around the same time as these incidents

547
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:20,960
in the u.s similar sightings were

548
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,159
occurring all over the world as well

549
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,159
at around 11am on the morning of

550
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,799
february 6th a united states air force

551
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,120
officer in charge of the weather bureau

552
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,080
station near the former truck atoll

553
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,240
islands reported seeing a shiny

554
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:38,720
bullet-shaped object moving at a speed

555
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:41,840
of around 150 miles per hour and at an

556
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,960
altitude of around 500 feet he would

557
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,720
further estimate that the object was

558
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,120
approximately three to four miles from

559
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:51,520
his location and was slightly larger

560
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,400
than a c-47 aircraft

561
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,720
however the object had no noticeable

562
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,600
wings or tail section and appeared to be

563
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:02,480
made of a highly polished metal as it

564
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,320
shined brilliantly in the morning sky

565
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,559
despite the witness clearly stating he

566
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:10,960
could not make out any wings or tail

567
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:13,600
section not to mention how fantastically

568
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,320
it's shown the military investigation

569
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:18,960
claimed that guam flight records showed

570
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,919
that a c-47 was in the region at

571
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:24,080
approximately the same time as the

572
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,200
sighting

573
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,679
elaborating that the quote bright sun

574
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:29,600
could very well have distorted the

575
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,960
normal features of the plane but just

576
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,039
like the rest of the sightings this was

577
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,080
never truly explained

578
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:40,559
the following day on february 7th a

579
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:44,159
little after 9 20 p.m in okinawa japan

580
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,760
the crew of an f-94 starfire witnessed a

581
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,640
bright orange object that changed color

582
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,600
from red to green several times until

583
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:55,919
changing color to white with occasional

584
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:58,559
red and green flashes before finally

585
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,240
glowing a steady uninterrupted white

586
00:25:07,390 --> 00:25:04,159
in the air intelligence information

587
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:07,400
report the radar at a control tower over

588
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,039
160 miles away also registered an

589
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,279
unidentified object

590
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,760
but only very briefly

591
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,679
after one sweep the object had

592
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:19,919
disappeared from the monitor

593
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,640
the pilot continued to view the object

594
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,480
both with a naked eye and with

595
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,919
binoculars

596
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,240
the crew however all of whom witnessed a

597
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,360
strange object were undecided on certain

598
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,679
details of the sighting

599
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,480
some for example claimed the object was

600
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,120
quote whirring while hovering while

601
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,679
others thought it was motionless

602
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,240
although the sighting is unexplained the

603
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,559
investigation would suggest it could

604
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,480
have been a weather balloon as many had

605
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,400
been released from multiple global

606
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,279
weather stations at this time

607
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,080
four nights later on february 11th the

608
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,360
crew of an air force c-119 aircraft

609
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,320
traveling between tunis to tripoli

610
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,480
witnessed a strange object that began

611
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,039
following their aircraft at just before

612
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,799
9pm

613
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,880
according to the since declassified

614
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,200
report the object appeared very bright

615
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,440
with a halo of diffused light

616
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,279
surrounding it

617
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,200
the crew noticed the strange glowing

618
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,760
object off their right wing and appeared

619
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,720
to follow them for just short of an hour

620
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:27,039
before it began to descend

621
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,559
although two of the crew members were

622
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,640
not certain what the object was the

623
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,200
remaining four believed it was something

624
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,960
out of the ordinary

625
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,720
but according to the project blue book

626
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:38,960
investigation the sighting was most

627
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:42,240
likely attributed to venus

628
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,159
two days later at 2 35 a.m on february

629
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:48,960
13th back in the united states the

630
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,799
pilots and crew of a b-36 aircraft over

631
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,200
carswell air force base at fort worth

632
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,840
texas witnessed three strange lights

633
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,000
approaching their aircraft

634
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,080
with clear and calm weather at the time

635
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,159
of the sighting the details of the

636
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,679
objects were very detailed indeed

637
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,600
each glowed white with the same

638
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,679
intensity and each had a blue green

639
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,520
light in the middle when they first

640
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:15,919
appeared they were quote stacked in

641
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,520
vertical echelon approximately 500 feet

642
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,120
apart

643
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,200
as the crew watched them they noticed

644
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,640
how one of the lights suddenly

645
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,279
accelerated toward them before coming to

646
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,440
a complete stop

647
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,440
the remaining two lights did the same

648
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,360
moments later

649
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:35,760
the lights continued to move around in a

650
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,559
controlled manner before moving away at

651
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,200
great speed climbing vertically and

652
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,080
disappearing out of sight

653
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,240
in total the glowing objects remained in

654
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,559
sight for around 15 minutes before

655
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,159
disappearing

656
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,000
much like the other sightings during

657
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:54,960
this period between the end of 1952 in

658
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:58,880
the start of 1953 this incident remains

659
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,120
unexplained

660
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,760
so given all of these cases between

661
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,559
these two years with military aircraft

662
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,480
what we know for certain is that

663
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:10,640
multiple trained pilots witnessed

664
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:13,679
something very strange that for the most

665
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,430
what's up guys ryan dropping in to wish

666
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,159
you all a very happy halloween season

667
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,159
and what better way to celebrate than

668
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,440
with jim harold's campfire podcast with

669
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,320
over 500 episodes of campfire you'll

670
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,960
hear stories that will bend your reality

671
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,520
and leave you truly spooked

672
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:39,919
the concept is pretty simple

673
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,799
jim talks to regular folks about strange

674
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:45,600
stuff that happens to them and yes that

675
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:48,640
includes ufos and uaps along with

676
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:51,919
cryptids and of course ghosts

677
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,880
now not all the stories are horrifying

678
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,520
some are pretty heartwarming like a

679
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,240
visit from a past loved one or a

680
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:02,640
peaceful near-death experience

681
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,919
regardless they are true and fascinating

682
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,559
stories as told by ordinary people

683
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,679
who've had extraordinary experiences

684
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,480
so

685
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:14,799
pull up a log and tune in to jim

686
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,840
herald's campfire on apple podcasts

687
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,640
spotify or wherever you listen to

688
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:22,240
somewhere in the skies

689
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:23,520
and remember

690
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,750
we should perhaps at this point remind

691
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:34,240
ourselves of the desire of those at the

692
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,039
top of project blue book to attempt to

693
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,880
undermine the sightings they were

694
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,480
investigating

695
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,640
this was no more telling than when

696
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,720
project blue book spokesperson for the

697
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,200
air force lieutenant colonel lawrence j

698
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,000
tacker and project blue book director

699
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,000
major hector quintanilla were

700
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,520
interviewed in 1966 under the auspices

701
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,080
of the department of defense

702
00:30:01,669 --> 00:30:00,640
major glendalou what's the uh record so

703
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,679
far

704
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,399
today we have over ten thousand cases of

705
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,480
bipartisan air force

706
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:09,120
of which 646 of these remaining

707
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,399
identifiers

708
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,399
that's not to say that

709
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,640
we could not have identified more cases

710
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,240
if we had gotten to the observable

711
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,039
quicker and check the localization the

712
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:20,880
air force has been accused from time to

713
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,600
time of hiding information about ufo

714
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,720
what do you have to say to that kind of

715
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:25,600
happening

716
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,399
these charges are absolutely untrue

717
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,159
actually the united states air force

718
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,440
releases statistics on the ufo phenomena

719
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:34,960
through the department of defense press

720
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,360
test periodically and we've always

721
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:39,360
honored accredited media when they want

722
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,720
to investigate a given specific signing

723
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,399
there's nothing to have there's nothing

724
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,399
to hide at all is there anything in the

725
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:49,120
files either classified or unclassified

726
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,320
that would indicate that there may be

727
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:53,919
extraterrestrial visitors over here

728
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,480
first of all the project is completely

729
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,240
unclassified

730
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,840
and there is nothing in the records that

731
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,360
should indicate that we have been

732
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,559
visited by any advanced civilization

733
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:06,320
how does the air force look upon people

734
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,519
who uh make reports of uf4 do they look

735
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,360
on them as a qualified attorney

736
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,360
yes they do look on them as qualified

737
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:15,519
observers actually most people who

738
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,279
report a ufo sighting are patriotic

739
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,679
citizens who have been mystified by

740
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:23,600
something that they've seen

741
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,720
and through a patriotic sense report it

742
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,440
to the local law enforcement officials

743
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,159
or to the united states air force base

744
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,240
near that well how about the tracking

745
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,600
and detection facilities of the air

746
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,240
force itself how does this country go

747
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,159
well actually uh to begin with the

748
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,039
united states air force is charged by an

749
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,640
act of congress with the air defense of

750
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,320
the united states and the north american

751
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,159
air defense command and the air defense

752
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,279
command have space tracking facilities

753
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,840
which are constantly on the alert 24

754
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,080
hours a day we're interested in anything

755
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,480
that flies in our atmosphere well how

756
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,320
about ufo reports in other countries how

757
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,519
are they happening

758
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,799
ufos actually occur worldwide however

759
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:07,120
the united states is the only country in

760
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,240
the world that

761
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,480
places as much emphasis on the

762
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,919
phenomenon

763
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,000
other countries place a burden of proof

764
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,240
on the observer and not on their answer

765
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:17,679
that would make your job a lot easier if

766
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,230
as quoted earlier ufo researcher and

767
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:27,200
former marine corps naval aviator major

768
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,640
donald kehoe had a rather tumultuous

769
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,960
relationship with the united states air

770
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:35,600
force when it came to their stance and

771
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,880
handling of the ufo issue after looking

772
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,360
heavily into the many close calls with

773
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,880
ufos that military aviators had kehoe

774
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,480
would state the following when

775
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:48,960
interviewed by noted american journalist

776
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,840
mike wallace in 1958

777
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,600
major kehoe first of all let me ask you

778
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:56,159
this most people in the united states in

779
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,279
spite of the fact that i say that

780
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,880
millions do believe i think you will

781
00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:00,399
agree that most people in the united

782
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,360
states

783
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:03,519
don't believe in flying sauces from

784
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,720
outer space

785
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,559
they probably hold the view

786
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,360
of columnist bob considine

787
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:11,519
who wrote that flying saucers are

788
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:14,960
products of for the most part quote

789
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,399
pranksters half wits cranks publicity

790
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,720
hounds fanatics in general and

791
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,960
screwballs end quote

792
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,720
how do you feel about mr considine's

793
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,760
charge

794
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,360
well i know where he got the story he

795
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,200
got it from colonel watson out at the

796
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,880
air technical intelligence center in

797
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,640
dayton in fact the colonel went even a

798
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,320
little farther and he said behind every

799
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,559
sighting was an idiot a crackpot a

800
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,640
religious fanatic that included a lot of

801
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:40,000
high-ranking air force pilots

802
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,120
incidentally

803
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,039
and many airline captains

804
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,720
people who were qualified to see these

805
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,720
things but he's just following on in air

806
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,320
force policy

807
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:49,760
well now you're not suggesting that bob

808
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,590
i mean the colonel no i have every

809
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,600
respect for bob considine

810
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:59,519
in spite of the fact that he

811
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,919
suggests that pranks pranksters halfwits

812
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:03,279
and screwballs

813
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,880
are responsible for the stories about

814
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,159
flying socks

815
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,399
well i wish i could show him at any time

816
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,800
a list of about 800 witnesses some of

817
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,280
the big names in aviation including up

818
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,679
to the rank of colonel in the air force

819
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:17,200
they're still flying and they're still

820
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,560
carrying passengers they've never been

821
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,280
grounded they're still guiding airliners

822
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,359
in the radar men are night after night

823
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,879
in bad weather

824
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,560
if they're screw balls and incompetence

825
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:28,399
why are they still on the job

826
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:31,280
uh during the last uh 10 years what we

827
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,720
call the modern phase have been

828
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,879
sightings before then there have been

829
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,720
some accidents air force pilots chasing

830
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,040
these things captain mantell was killed

831
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,960
chasing one in 48

832
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:42,800
and the two pilots disappeared chasing

833
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,000
one in 53 over lake superior but the air

834
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,320
force has said time and time again this

835
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,639
is a quote from richard horner assistant

836
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,159
secretary of the air force for research

837
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,079
and development all but a small

838
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,560
percentage of these reports

839
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,200
of unidentified flying objects have been

840
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,200
definitely attributed to natural

841
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:03,839
phenomena that are neither mysterious

842
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,560
nor dire end quote weather balloons

843
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:07,920
mirages

844
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,800
ordinary sky phenomena like meteors uh

845
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,640
airplanes themselves

846
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,240
what about that

847
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,320
in 1952 there was an intelligence

848
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:18,000
analysis of the maneuvers of these

849
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,880
things

850
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,640
as seen by radar

851
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,520
triangulation radar photographs

852
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,280
and in 53

853
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,200
the central intelligence agency and the

854
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,800
air force had a special panel of

855
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,720
scientists meet the pentagon

856
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,560
to tell them what to do

857
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,079
and after they got through this group

858
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,920
said you don't have proof that these

859
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,400
things exist not scientific proof

860
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,680
but you have a very strong

861
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,920
circumstantial case we suggest you

862
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,920
quadruple investigation set up special

863
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:46,160
observation post in the meantime release

864
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,200
everything you've got the american

865
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,800
people

866
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,560
it's quite clear that throughout the

867
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:52,400
entire run of the united states air

868
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,359
force projects sign grudge and blue book

869
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,599
that some good work was done in

870
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,000
investigating ufo incidents which had

871
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,160
military involvement but it was even

872
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,240
more clear that much of the work carried

873
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,560
out was to calm public nerves when it

874
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,359
came to the potential threat aspect of

875
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,839
the ufo phenomenon and this was no more

876
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,560
apparent than when noted astronomer and

877
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,280
consultant for project blue book j ellen

878
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,079
heineck would go on the record stating

879
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,400
his dismay with the way in which the

880
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,040
united states air force handled the ufo

881
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,760
situation especially when the condon

882
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:29,440
report was finally presented to the

883
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,520
public in 1968 this report in the

884
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,760
committee that came to its conclusions

885
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:37,680
was funded by the united states air

886
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,119
force from 1966 to 1968 at the

887
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,400
university of colorado to study ufos

888
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,119
under the direction of physicist edward

889
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,680
condon it comprised the case files from

890
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,680
the air force's project blue book

891
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,520
national investigations committee on

892
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,680
aerial phenomena aerial phenomena

893
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,240
research organization and investigating

894
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,119
sightings reported during the project

895
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,520
here is what heinek had to say about how

896
00:37:09,069 --> 00:37:05,599
it was handled in an interview with

897
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,079
television host and mentalist kreskin in

898
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,240
1972. i was a scientific consultant of

899
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,720
the air force for 20 years in fact i got

900
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,440
into it as because i was an astronomer

901
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:19,680
the air force needed an astronomer to

902
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:20,839
weed out

903
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,240
the meteors the twinkling stars and

904
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,160
things like that and we found that about

905
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,640
30 percent could be explained that way

906
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,480
and another 50 percent or so could be

907
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,599
explained as aircraft balloons and so

908
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,599
forth but there was this hardcore

909
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,160
residue of 15 to 20 percent that high

910
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:40,320
that just couldn't be explained i think

911
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,599
uh uh some of us who followed this whole

912
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,680
phenomena became interested in the

913
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,160
condon report i guess which is how many

914
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,200
years ago that it reached a fruition or

915
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,440
did it reach a client it was issued in

916
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,040
1969 uh it seems more recent yeah what

917
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,720
was what was the conclusion what's your

918
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,079
feeling about that

919
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,680
well my feeling is that the condon

920
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:04,160
report was a travesty on science yeah it

921
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,680
just simply

922
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,720
was

923
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:08,960
beside them the method of methods used

924
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,359
in fact dr condon didn't investigate one

925
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,680
case he didn't no personally he never

926
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,079
investigated a single case and yet they

927
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:18,240
came they they came out negative but

928
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,200
they didn't you don't feel like

929
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,760
presenting a fair picture well actually

930
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:23,760
if you read the report from cover to

931
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,240
cover and that's difficult because 947

932
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:28,000
pages sounds like the warren commission

933
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,520
yeah you'll you'll realize that there's

934
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:31,280
a very real problem there because the

935
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,640
condon committee was unable to explain

936
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,240
one quarter of the cases that were

937
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,160
submitted that they studied

938
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,000
i'm curious and i think everyone is now

939
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,000
thinking the obvious question how did

940
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,680
they handle that in their report the

941
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,320
ones they couldn't explain well very

942
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,200
nicely and very rightly is the word

943
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,839
dr condon wrote this the summary

944
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,320
and completely neglected the contents of

945
00:39:02,710 --> 00:38:59,589
whether it's dramatic ufo encounters of

946
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,720
b-29 bombers in the gulf of mexico or

947
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,720
the countless other sightings reported

948
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:07,440
by trained observers and aviators the

949
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:10,560
skies have been plagued with close calls

950
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,359
close encounters and near

951
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,680
with phenomena that refuse to adhere to

952
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,320
our known physics our known technology

953
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:21,119
and our known airspace

954
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,119
from the very beginning of the modern

955
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:25,520
ufo era the united states government has

956
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,240
attempted to find answers while also

957
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,800
ignoring or flat out denying those

958
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,400
answers as well

959
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,280
it's a vicious cycle that began at the

960
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,359
very onset of the us government's

961
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,000
involvement in the ufo issue

962
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:42,160
as both donald kehoe and jay ellen

963
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:44,320
heineck pointed out these incidents

964
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:47,599
persist with alarming continuation but

965
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,839
are constantly downplayed by the us

966
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,280
government

967
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,760
but something seems to have changed in

968
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,359
the past few years

969
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,440
and even more so in the past few months

970
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,000
and weeks as of the release of this

971
00:40:03,550 --> 00:40:01,839
episode

972
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,560
on june 25th

973
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,160
2021 the office of the director of

974
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:08,160
national intelligence released a

975
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,079
preliminary assessment on ufos or uap

976
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,440
unidentified aerial phenomena

977
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:18,720
this was done by the uap task force as

978
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,480
requested by an act of congress in 2020

979
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,880
this task force established within the

980
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,119
department of defense and the office of

981
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,680
naval intelligence would look into uap

982
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,560
reports by military witnesses

983
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,400
while the assessment didn't share much

984
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:37,280
in terms of detailed case reports it did

985
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,040
show that out of 144 cases reported by

986
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,599
military witnesses and captured on

987
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,400
cameras radar and various other sensor

988
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,680
platforms only one case could be readily

989
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,960
explained

990
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,800
one case

991
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,520
on page six of the assessment it stated

992
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,480
that the uap task force had quote 11

993
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,200
reports of documented instances in which

994
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,640
pilots reported near misses with a uap

995
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,400
end quote

996
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:08,720
so were these near misses as compared to

997
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,599
those from 1952 onward with foreign

998
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,160
adversaries top secret american tech

999
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,640
that the pilots weren't privy to

1000
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,200
the pentagon assessment certainly didn't

1001
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,480
think so

1002
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,960
here's former a-tip director luis

1003
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,520
elizondo on this very issue in an

1004
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,520
interview with the washington post

1005
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,520
bottom line is up up until very recently

1006
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,880
there are really only only three

1007
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,960
possibilities of what this could be and

1008
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:34,960
the first possibility is that it is some

1009
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,000
sort of secret u.s tech that somehow uh

1010
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:39,839
we have managed to keep secret even from

1011
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,400
ourselves for for a long period of time

1012
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,480
the second option is that it's some sort

1013
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,400
of foreign adversarial technology that

1014
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,720
has somehow managed to technologically

1015
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,200
leapfrog ahead of our country uh despite

1016
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,040
having a a fairly robust and

1017
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,000
comprehensive intelligence apparatus and

1018
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,000
of course the the third option is is

1019
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,839
something quite entirely different it's

1020
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,680
it's a it's a different paradigm

1021
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,480
completely now as of this week we now

1022
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,400
know through some of the discussions at

1023
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,280
senior level leadership that uh this

1024
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:11,920
this report has definitively stated once

1025
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:15,040
and for all that it's not our technology

1026
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,800
and that's that's hugely important for

1027
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,640
30 years there has always been this

1028
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:20,480
undercurrent if you will these

1029
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:22,480
conspiracies that there was some sort of

1030
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,800
tr3 b program and some sort of of super

1031
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,880
special technology that has been

1032
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,880
implemented and we've been uh just been

1033
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,640
very careless about it and i think that

1034
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,880
argument was finally put to bed this

1035
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,880
week uh so that really only leads to

1036
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,040
other options and that's again it's for

1037
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,680
an adversarial or it's it's it's

1038
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,599
something quite different and i think

1039
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,280
we're now beginning to learn as we've

1040
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,720
heard from the director of national

1041
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,000
intelligence and i can certainly tell

1042
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:50,000
you from my experience that we're pretty

1043
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,079
confident that it's not russian or

1044
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,400
chinese technology

1045
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,560
so it would appear our military and

1046
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,400
governmental bodies here in the united

1047
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,640
states are no closer to truly

1048
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,280
understanding what these ufos are or

1049
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,520
aren't in our skies

1050
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:08,079
it isn't ours it isn't another country

1051
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,359
or nation so what is it

1052
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,760
obviously there is no one single

1053
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,839
explanation and it would appear that

1054
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:18,640
like a snowflake every ufo seems to be

1055
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,000
different whether by design or by

1056
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,839
perception and interpretation of the

1057
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:27,200
observer but the fact of the matter is

1058
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,079
this

1059
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,000
while projects have come and gone like

1060
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,880
sign grudge in arguably blue book and

1061
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,599
even atip it would appear that the us

1062
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,520
government is attempting through the

1063
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,680
passage of several bills by the senate

1064
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,839
intelligence committee and the armed

1065
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,160
services committee in relation to the

1066
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:47,599
2022 national defense authorization act

1067
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:50,319
to once and for all establish a

1068
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,480
permanent office to study ufos

1069
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,280
this story was simultaneously broken by

1070
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,000
researcher dean johnson and also by

1071
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,079
investigative journalist for debrief

1072
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,680
media tim mcmillan here is tim giving

1073
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,000
his thoughts on this new development in

1074
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,079
an interview with the unidentified

1075
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,160
celebrity review the one that was

1076
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,599
recently coming out is the armed

1077
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,240
services committee bill now this one was

1078
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,319
a bit different and pretty surprising

1079
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,400
this is the one that would go into the

1080
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,240
the national defense act which is the

1081
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:25,359
big bill they spend trillions of dollars

1082
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:29,119
but what it did is it set legislation in

1083
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,520
place that would create a formal office

1084
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,319
so no longer we have a uap task force

1085
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,079
and in fact the bill says

1086
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,480
upon creation the office the uap task

1087
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,000
force will be terminated and you would

1088
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,160
have a permanent office now it probably

1089
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,240
seems silly like well obviously the task

1090
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,760
force has to work out of an office like

1091
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,599
i don't understand what does this really

1092
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,440
mean but in the in the highly

1093
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,400
bureaucratic ridiculous world of the us

1094
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,560
government what this does is it does

1095
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,400
create the framework for having a

1096
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,119
permanent structure now so the task

1097
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,440
force was always temporary

1098
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,760
and and you've probably seen i know

1099
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,680
we've reported on it i know some other

1100
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,280
outlets i think have mentioned it that

1101
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,040
you've had different leadership kind of

1102
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,200
shuffle around in the task force you

1103
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,680
know it's a fluid that's because they're

1104
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,319
temporary structures somebody can ask to

1105
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,800
be a part of it uh even when somebody

1106
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,079
asks to be a part of it they can be

1107
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:24,079
removed because they have another job

1108
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,520
formally so

1109
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,440
in essence what would happen is if this

1110
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,680
bill passes you will have a formal

1111
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,240
office now so now it is a permanent

1112
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,240
structure this is where you don't have

1113
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,640
this revolving door of employees you

1114
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,119
have people who are actually designated

1115
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,880
this is going to be their job it's very

1116
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,160
much um

1117
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:43,599
in a way i guess you could liken it to

1118
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,640
blue book

1119
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,560
because you know that's probably people

1120
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,119
recognize the most is in and honestly if

1121
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:51,520
it passes it will be the first time

1122
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:54,960
since 1968 the u.s government or 69 that

1123
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:58,160
the us government has a official formal

1124
00:46:03,510 --> 00:45:59,760
ufo office

1125
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,520
so it's a fairly big deal

1126
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,319
so as we wait to see if this bill or any

1127
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,400
other bills are passed and if a

1128
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:11,520
permanent uap office is established we

1129
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,560
also wait for the inevitable the day

1130
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,200
that one of these uap doesn't just have

1131
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,760
a close call but a full-on collision

1132
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,920
with an aircraft

1133
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,079
christopher plane head science writer

1134
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,640
for debrief media was able to report on

1135
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,040
a very interesting panel that took place

1136
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,720
online recently

1137
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,960
in an article at the debrief plane

1138
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,520
stated that quote on august 6th the

1139
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:37,520
american institute of aeronautics and

1140
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,880
astronautics held a uap-related safety

1141
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,640
session as part of their annual

1142
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,680
conference the six-member panel featured

1143
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:48,720
three scientists including one from nasa

1144
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,920
a european space agency project director

1145
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,920
the director of science for the national

1146
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:56,480
aviation reporting center on anomalous

1147
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:00,319
phenomena and one former u.s navy pilot

1148
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,319
that pilot was lieutenant ryan graves

1149
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,040
graves claimed that he and fellow pilots

1150
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:09,359
flying in restricted airspace southeast

1151
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:12,720
of virginia beach virginia observed ufos

1152
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,400
every day for at least a couple of years

1153
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,200
in fact two of the now famous navy ufo

1154
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,839
videos leaked to the new york times and

1155
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,760
subsequently released by the department

1156
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:26,240
of defense were captured by members of

1157
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,760
grave squadron in 2015.

1158
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,240
graves had also witnessed several ufos

1159
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,559
himself and explained in this interview

1160
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,160
for the history channel series

1161
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,040
unidentified about the mysterious nature

1162
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,839
of these objects he and his squadron had

1163
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,599
encountered when we talked about the

1164
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,720
visual contact uh when it buzzed by

1165
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,720
it was very likely that that was

1166
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,040
stationary and you know we actually

1167
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,800
buzzed by it because i know it was there

1168
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,119
so it was likely stationary at that time

1169
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,720
and it basically split our section when

1170
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,319
they were in tackling

1171
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,200
um so it wasn't like it was trying to

1172
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,800
merge with us or was making high-speed

1173
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:04,559
pass or anything like that most likely

1174
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,839
stationary we just didn't know it was

1175
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,680
there or this was you know at a time

1176
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,880
where we weren't even sure if they were

1177
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,920
real or not

1178
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,920
essentially just kind of flew into it

1179
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,680
when i say it was following us i don't

1180
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,520
mean individual aircraft

1181
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,440
i mean wherever we were they were there

1182
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,880
so that could mean two things that could

1183
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,640
mean they were already there

1184
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,079
or they were following the strike group

1185
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,680
but they weren't following individual

1186
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,119
aircrafts

1187
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:27,040
and of course at this point we were like

1188
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,720
okay well

1189
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:30,160
clearly there's nothing that we're used

1190
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,440
to seeing out there we submitted a

1191
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,680
safety report saying that there was a

1192
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:35,920
unidentified object in our working space

1193
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,069
after the panel concluded at the aiaa

1194
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,160
conference graves was chosen to

1195
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:45,920
summarize what needed to be done when it

1196
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,319
came to both military and commercial

1197
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,440
flights in relation to near misses with

1198
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,240
strange objects and how the issue should

1199
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,520
be handled when it comes to faa protocol

1200
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,760
in reporting ufos

1201
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,920
what needs to happen here isn't isn't

1202
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,839
something where you know we can look to

1203
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,440
you and tell you what needs to be done

1204
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,520
you know we we this is going to require

1205
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:09,839
a lot of different specialties from

1206
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,359
tactical aviation um uh to physics and

1207
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,000
so you know we need everyone's help on

1208
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,599
this and we need to do it in a way that

1209
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,160
is transparent because at the end of the

1210
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,800
day like i said very pragmatically we're

1211
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,119
flying around objects out there that

1212
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,800
hundreds of miles an hour with people's

1213
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,359
families on board it's just a matter of

1214
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:31,200
time frankly i'm surprised it hasn't

1215
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,720
happened already

1216
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,559
the fact that we're talking about stigma

1217
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,280
still in a time when people are having

1218
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,319
near misses is disturbing so we need to

1219
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,480
make sure that the military is already

1220
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,079
underway in this process but we need to

1221
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,680
ensure civilian air crew feel

1222
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,680
comfortable submitting aviation safety

1223
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,000
reports related to uap without fear of

1224
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:52,480
retribution by creating a standardized

1225
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,280
faa uap reporting protocol

1226
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,040
that is pushed out

1227
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,359
and that their crew are trained to

1228
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,000
in order to ensure that we are receiving

1229
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,960
accurate data from the civilian aviation

1230
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,359
community

1231
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,280
according to the federal aviation

1232
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,800
administration approximately 45 000

1233
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,839
flights take place on a daily basis in

1234
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,760
the united states alone

1235
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,079
multiplying that by literally every

1236
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,240
other country and continent both

1237
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,200
military commercial and private flights

1238
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,520
it is statistically only a matter of

1239
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,319
time before something truly disastrous

1240
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,520
happens with one of these uap

1241
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,400
the object or phenomena itself may not

1242
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,640
even be the actual threat

1243
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,440
but the response or reaction by a pilot

1244
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,400
or military branch could be just as

1245
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,079
dangerous

1246
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,240
from the early days of the foo fighter

1247
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,480
phenomena reported by allied aircraft

1248
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,960
pilots during world war ii through the

1249
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,839
50s and decades to follow even up until

1250
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,839
the past few years with sightings by the

1251
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,240
likes of ryan graves and many other

1252
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:02,800
pilots it's clear that whatever these

1253
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,400
uap or ufos are or aren't they remain

1254
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,359
just as elusive as they always have been

1255
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,160
both to the public and obviously to our

1256
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,960
military pilots and ground witnesses as

1257
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,920
well

1258
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,240
either way it seems that the ufo

1259
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,480
researchers of yesteryear and the

1260
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,240
current advocates for government

1261
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,880
transparency on the uap issue may

1262
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,520
finally be getting a small of a

1263
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,839
important piece of their wish coming

1264
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,800
true

1265
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,359
an age where it becomes increasingly

1266
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,920
harder to keep the lid on secrets once

1267
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,359
kept

1268
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:39,680
and as we continue to head into an

1269
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,880
uncertain future in relation to ufos it

1270
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,200
may be worth wondering that perhaps we

1271
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:47,359
aren't on our own timetable when it

1272
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,640
comes to understanding these phenomena

1273
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:53,280
perhaps we are and always have been on

1274
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,119
the timetable of the phenomena itself

1275
00:52:12,150 --> 00:51:59,920
and only then will we get any answers

1276
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,230
this episode was co-researched and

1277
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,480
co-written by marcus sloth it was

1278
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,119
originally published in article form at

1279
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:21,040
ufoinsight.com

1280
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,720
under the title the mothership

1281
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,200
rendezvous over the gulf of mexico the

1282
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:28,559
b-29 ufo incident you can read the full

1283
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,359
article at ufoinsight.com

1284
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,000
you can follow marcus on twitter at

1285
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,839
marcus sloth

1286
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,359
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1287
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:39,480
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1288
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,240
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1289
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,079
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1290
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,240
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00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,200
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1292
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1293
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,440
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1294
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:55,599
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1295
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1297
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1299
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,760
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1300
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,520
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1301
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:12,000
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00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:32,960
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1303
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:34,090
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1304
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,000
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